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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

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  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  joey jojo

  scholar
  If a person does not stand for something then where is the credibility? In relation to the Flood, there is a mountain of evidence for a global Flood and the fact that the story of the Flood is widespread in ancient and modern cultures is a testament to its authenticity.

  
  

  The flood story is not widespread. We have 1 biblical flood story and all the rest from around the world are different. Given that pretty much every human settlement of any size have always lived close to rivers/ lakes, it would be strange NOT to have numerous flood legends from all around the place.

  Come on Scholar, you can do better than that.
  
  
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  "Apostasy"

  by Zilgee in

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  the so called apostates of first century later became the catholic church.

  these apostates like saint athanasius, theologian, ecclesiastical statesman, and egyptian national leader decided which books would be part of the bible.

  we are now following what they decided.

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  joey jojo

  @aqwsed12345

  Your sycophantic writing almost makes me want to become a catholic.

  Do you actually give the catholic church a pass for :

  Supporting the abuse of native land owners during colonisation?

  The abuse of children in their care for centuries?

  The support of slavery - perpetual servitude for pagans? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Diversas

  The silence of the papacy during the holocaust?

  Anti-science persecutions of the middle ages?

  A lot of people who went to catholic schools talk about the cruelty of the brothers and the nuns.

  They have enjoyed great power for about 2 thousand years and while they have done some good, they have abused that power and caused untold misery for a lot of people too.
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  Top AI inventor Geoffrey Hinton reluctantly concluded that AI will probably humanity fairly soon

  by slimboyfat in

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  geoffrey hinton, major inventor of artificial intelligence: .

  “if you take the existential risk seriously, as i now do—i used to think it was way off, but now i think it’s serious, and fairly close—it might be quite sensible to just stop developing these things any further, but i think it’s completely naïve to think that would happen.

  there’s no way to make that happen.

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  joey jojo

  slimboyfat
  further edit: that’s another point some of these people make. We talk about “AI” as if it’s one thing, when really there are going to be many different AIs, and if they are correct about the risk, it only takes one of them to be misaligned with human goals, combined with super intelligence, is a deadly recipe.

  There are also a lot of everyday programmers who work on machine learning or other AI projects of their own as hobbies. All it takes is a basic understanding of a programming language like Python, which is considered one of the most user friendly languages for beginners. A couple of months practise and you can start building your own AI project for world domination.
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  Top AI inventor Geoffrey Hinton reluctantly concluded that AI will probably humanity fairly soon

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. current

  geoffrey hinton, major inventor of artificial intelligence: .

  “if you take the existential risk seriously, as i now do—i used to think it was way off, but now i think it’s serious, and fairly close—it might be quite sensible to just stop developing these things any further, but i think it’s completely naïve to think that would happen.

  there’s no way to make that happen.

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  joey jojo

  I didn't watch the video but AI is being introduced into a greater range of industries as it gets better.

  Manipulation of AI for criminal activity is a risk with the technology as it is right now.
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  "Apostasy"

  by Zilgee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the so called apostates of first century later became the catholic church.

  these apostates like saint athanasius, theologian, ecclesiastical statesman, and egyptian national leader decided which books would be part of the bible.

  we are now following what they decided.

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  joey jojo

  Jws will argue that God guided the compilation of the bible. For one to believe that, one also has no choice than to accept the influence of the catholic church in that process.

  There are more problems though. The earliest complete bibles contain the apocrypha. Does that mean these versions are the right ones, or are only the protestant versions that came 1500 yrs later and removed the apocrypha gods word?

  Jesus quoted from apocryphal books, so why don't we leave them in, and who decides that? Was it jesus, god, or men?

  If jesus quoted from the septuagint, why do jws prefer the much later masoretic text in their translation?

  Paul and Luke wrote about half the new testament between them, yet neither of them met jesus.
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  joey jojo

  Jorden
  if you are an active JW and you are knowledgeable of their beliefs and if you are a honest person

  
  

  Theres your problem right there. For a JW to be loyal, they have to be dishonest.

  I still believe scholar might be trolling us though.
  
  
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  Good video

  by joey jojo in

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  2. beliefs

  highly recommend this video from youtube.

  really well researched.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeggkcpkuve.

  it has an interesting section about the un and jw's involvement and its good to actually see the un letter concerning jw membership still on the un website.

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  joey jojo

  fastJehu

  This Awakes are still online:
  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101998843

  Heres what my drop down menu looks like:

  
  
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  Good video

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  highly recommend this video from youtube.

  really well researched.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeggkcpkuve.

  it has an interesting section about the un and jw's involvement and its good to actually see the un letter concerning jw membership still on the un website.

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  joey jojo

  Highly recommend this video from youtube. Really well researched.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeGgkcpkUVE
  

  It has an interesting section about the UN and JW's involvement and its good to actually see the UN letter concerning JW membership still on the UN website. here: https://www.un.org/en/civil-society/watchtowerletter

  The video shows the Awake articles that sucked up to the UN from the 90's, notably the articles from Oct and Nov 1998, which has a full page transcript of the UN declaration of human rights. Big surprise, the 1998 Awake is missing from the JW.org library. Coincidence?
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  July 2023 Study Watchtower - Great Tribulation is coming soooooooooooooon!

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. bible

  is this the "great tribulation" which jesus warned he would bring upon the corrupt christian congregations worldwide, (revelation 2:22; 7:14) or is it the same 1st century g.t.

  which he said would never occur again?

  (matthew 24:21).

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  joey jojo

  Picked it :)

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5083156003684352/start-great-tribulation-will-announced-soon
  
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  Joined an online meeting incognito

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  got a link for a zoom meeting and thought id share my experience about the mid-week meeting.. guessing about 100 - 120 in cong.. 50 on zoom, only 8 with cameras on - all elderly.

  watching from a detached point of view it's so obvious at how it is nothing but a glorified sales meeting, all designed to promote the org.

  inspirational videos about how everyone can/ should do more to help with projects, in particular how to look after the kingdom hall, complete with bar charts showing levels of achievement to aspire to.. interestingly, tonights book study is about alcohol..

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  joey jojo

  Journeyman
  About 50% of the congs I know of are still not coming to meetings in person, and that's definitely more than the number who are genuinely housebound or who have debilitating conditions that prevent them from attending regularly (usually no more than 10-15 people in any congregation). Of those who do attend on Zoom, hardly any turn their cameras on now.

  
  

  The people that dont turn on their cameras are the same ones that trash talk and shun ex-jw's that dont buy into it anymore, yet they cant even turn on their cameras to encourage others?

  For a comparison, during the pandemic, gym members logged into zoom classes, with their cameras on. All of these people couldnt wait to get back to real life classes. Now, gyms are full again, unlike kingdom halls.